Some thoughts on free music. (Alternate title - "Where's the Melody?")
These thoughts are spurred by a comment left in a post here which I initially misinterpreted, to the effect
"In my favorite music you can't tell who's playing what".
I remember many years ago complaining to a friend who turned me fully on to Sun Ra that I had problems with not being able to hear who was playing what.
At the time, I was probably listening almost exclusively to the early music of Ornette Coleman, who's music of the late 50's is a precursor of much of the free music that came after.
In Ornette's Harmolodic theory (and I'm paraphrasing here, but I'll give you the gyst as I understand it- but note that many people have complained that even Ornette's spoken and written thoughts on the subject of his own theory are frustratingly vague and unclear), but- in any case:
In harmolodic music the focal point (which Ornette refers to as "the melody") can be anywhere at any given moment; it can be in the saxophone one moment and in the bass the next, then the trumpet for a few moments, then in the drums.
(Just referring to a melodic drum part is problematic, as drums are typically un-pitched. I think perhaps part of the fuss some people make about this theory's vagueness may be in here somewhere: "The Melody".)
Webern had, many years earlier, created (or at least named) a melody of a sort he called "Klangfarbenmelodie" - Tone-Color Melody,
Which is a somewhat similar thing, or at least gives us a somewhat similar result: the melody in Webern's music skips from instrument to instrument, sometimes in single note transitions, which can make the melody very hard to follow for someone (like me) who doesn't really read music, and has no music-theory knowledge to speak of. (To be more precise- I can't recognize what a particular piece of music will sound like by looking at it, beyond certain basics- "That's fast, that's dense, that's wobbly"...)
And so, when I listen to Webern (for example) what I hear as the melody may not be, strictly speaking - according to Dodecaphonic (twelve-tone) theory - the melody at all, but simply what I perceive as the moving focal point of the musical line.
So, I personally never thought I had grasped the meaning of Harmolodic theory, but I noticed that when I hummed the melody to (say) "Lonely Woman" from the album "The Shape Of Jazz To Come", I found myself singing a bit of Ornette's line, then a bit of Don Cherry's, and back and forth, and maybe even a few of the notes in the bass line (played by Charlie Haden), and this is what, in my mind, I had absorbed as the "melody". I think I had perhaps intuitively grasped the practical result of Ornette's theory.
Now- creating a music where a listener can't tell who's playing what isn't really that difficult- a high degree of similarity in sound between instruments will achieve this effect - i.e: all loud, all low, all high, all fast, etc, etc...
But a music which achieves this effect the way the best jazz ensembles often do- with the interplay being so "close" that it verges on e.s.p. is really inspiring to hear.
It does, however, make the music rather difficult to write about with any degree of precision: Trying to pick it apart in order to laud the merits of a given player's contribution when the music achieves an effect which seems to make manifest the dictum "the whole is greater than the sum of the parts" is really quite difficult, and may leave one who writes and/or reads the result with the feeling that something essential has been lost in the translation.
One can read only so much vague prose about "sound-masses" and suchlike.
Many of the Jazz records of the type I'm alluding to here have no liner notes, and usually an interested reader will end up reading details about chronology and personel replacing critical review or analysis, a la wikipedia (but, to be fair, criticism is not their mandate)...Perhaps this is a good thing, as the music can be left to speak for itself, as it usually can.
But perhaps also, a few extraneous words about the content and context of the music can be helpful to some.
The gist of this is- I may post some records with almost NO text to accompany them. It's not that these records are any less interesting or important to me, it's just that the music might in my opinion speak so clearly (or perhaps opaquely) that any extra "help" from me might seem unnecessary (or worse: facile).
So- Here's some music:
Just a few thoughts in return for yours, Dr E.
ReplyDeleteMy apologies if my scraps do no justice to your longer musings.
1) On harmolodics. Speaking personally, I would not strain too hard to interpret the theory. My hunch is that Ornette has not expressed himself that clearly because Harmolodics is not a detailed model (like the Lydian chromatic theory, for example, or even modal jazz), but an orientation. A freed-up form of the old New Orleans "collective improvisation", which attempts to break up a strict difference between rhythm instruments and solo horns, and indeed, to break out of any pre-set chordal structures in favour of inspirational playing.
I think the reason you hum different "parts" of Lonely Woman is because those are the most salient parts through Ornette's early version of the song - sometimes it's the underpinning tune of the bass, sometimes the cry of the alto, or the top line of the cornet, even the free punctuation of the drums. It's not because of the theory. It's the "praxis"!
2) Who's playing what? In jazz and similar musics, indeed. But very often you get more out of a piece - even as a listener, by following one of the instrument's lines amid the total sound space. Greg Cohen's mighty architectures with Masada or Red Mitchell's inventive support work in the 70s, Elvin's rolls and kicking on Pepper Adams' version of Thad's Elusive, Don Byrd's lines almost always (even in the middle of the electronic muddle of the 70s-80s), Lee Konitz's sinewy as well as sinuous traceries on the loosened charts of MotionLee .... Mal Waldron on Coltrane's various 50s sessions or Jump Monk, Sahib Shihab on his dates of various sizes of band.
3) Where's the Melody? You probably know this was the title of the estimable Martin Williams' guide to jazz and its characteristics! It is the riddle of the Sphinx when it comes to "jazz" .... you can answer it in a hundred ways, depending on the playing. But as Louis said: If you have to ask, you don't need to know.
Well, not quite. You can learn to enjoy the music, when something clicks, as it does for some on hearing Kind of Blue, for some with Booker's Waltz or Fire Waltz by Dolphy, Little and Blackwell from the Five Spot. Or hearing Jukka Eskola or Timo Lassy disguising great playing and ideation as "NuJazz". ~ And yet, as it does for some people never, for whom it remains that "weird smoothie-sophisticated jazz", against which they barricade their ears in distaste. You can't win 'em all.
4) Just a point. Your style is a little bit difficult to follow in places because you use so many parentheses - brackets and insets. Relax and simplify your style a bit. Make yourself easier to follow, and chime in with.
I know that is a bit cheeky to say ... ;)
Oh, and thanks for your eclectic blog!
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ReplyDeleteWhile Drums are often unhitched, Coleman played for many years with Ed Blackwell, who tuned his drums. Quite often, i Cloeman and Cherry's earlier music , the melodic focus can be heard to switch to Blackwell
Dr.,
ReplyDeleteI can't really add anything here, because quite honestly, I don't always get it myself. I try (not always successfully) to avoid over-analyzing or intellectualizing music as I listen to it, but rather to base my listening experience solely on what it evokes, and how it makes me feel.
One additional alternate title I've frequently heard might be: 'What the f*** is that!? Can't you play something that I might enjoy?'
Hi Peter-
ReplyDeleteYour 'scraps' are most welcome, entirely "just" and worthy of yet more scraps in reply. SO:
1:While I agree that the Harmolodic method may be praxis for the musicians, I think it may be theory for Ornette in his compositional practice- Perhaps some of the musicians he's played with over the years don't even understand the theory, but they get the job done.
(It's possible; Sun Ra had this "problem" all the time).
2:Yes- I agree that you may get a more comprehensible or pleasurable experience by following one instrument- It's certainly a matter of taste and other preferences as to which to follow- But it is Ornette's music (and Old And New Dreams as well) where I consistently find my attention skipping from instrument to instrument as a matter of course. (Same with much Steve Lacy music, actually- He thought all the names were funny-paraphrasing: "free,post-free,poly-free...I just call it "High Jazz"-It's kind of snobbish, but it's nice.")
3:In fact- When I bought my first Lacy record (Capers-Lacy/R.Boykins/D.Charles) I played it and said (yes-I said out loud) "What the hell was THAT? Was that MUSIC? I don't like THAT AT ALL."
The next day I played record two-
"What IS this? I don't think I like this at ALL..."
day 3; Record One again:"There's something there, but I don't GET it."
day 4,5,6...
I think it took a WEEK before I realized I must really like this stuff, because I couldn't stop trying to understand it.Do I get it now? Maybe; It resonates very deeply some part of me that no other music reaches.Ir's one of my all-time favorite l.p.'s.
4: Cheeky? Well maybe, but perhaps right, too. I don't write much, and over the years it's gotten cleaner, but this is about as relaxed as I can manage, more or less; call it "laterality" (Thanks,Mmatt!) Point taken, tho'.
And No, I didn't know about the title of Williams's book. I chose it because I meant it literally, and not pejoratively, as is most often the case, and usually by people with ears that need stretching.
By the way- Grey Calx is looking into instituting a sort of "forum" thread in the Closet, so that these lengthy exchanges have a better home.
Miles- Another possible title- "Can he do that AGAIN? I bet NOT!"
or: "My KID could do that!"
(Ever notice they don't say "I could do that", but "my kid"?
There's a point there, somewhere.)
@non- Blackwell is my favorite drummer.If ever there was a "melodic" drummer- he was IT.
Also-Dennis Charles plays a solo version of Monk's "Thelonious" (the a-section is a two-note melody) on Billy Bang's duet record "Bangception."
(Ever notice they don't say "I could do that", but "my kid"? There's a point there, somewhere.)
ReplyDeleteDr. Eyescope - as the "author" of the original comment that you referenced at the start of your thought-provoking "article", I decided it might be appropriate to add the following comments...
Regarding the segment quoted above, I never thought about it before you pointed it out here, but yes, everyone does say that, and I wonder why.
Possibly aside from all this, by the time I was about 16 I had absolute boatloads (sic) of what might be called musical "taste", and from my perspective now, it was downright narrow. It led to years of musical guruism which may have benefitted others but did little for me. I probably missed alot I might have enjoyed if I'd been a little looser with it. I do know that after the initial onset of "taste" (probably about age 12) I never managed to listen to anything "without prejudice" untill I was about 30.
Now I'm old and have finally managed to get back to how it was originally. I'll listen to just about anything. It doesn't hurt, and my sense of musical "taste" no longer defines me as a person. I just like whatever I like, and no big deal about it.
So I'm not sure if that's relevant or even related, but your "point there, somewhere" is where I do all of my theorizing about music nowadays. I couldn't pin it down any better than that if I tried for several years, and I don't really have anything else to add to this discussion at the moment.
Thank you kindly for provoking the ol' thoughts. Carry on :)
Thanks for writing, anon.
ReplyDeleteAnother thing people don't say is "my dog could do that",,,except for this person:
http://www.wimp.com/dogmusician
My friend sent this to me. It's very funny, and kind of lyrical. (Dig the thoughtful pause about 1/2 way through).
Great blog by the way, good music and good words. Glad to know you.
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